Carbonate Reds

It seems that Strontium Carbonate-based red motors get a bit of a bad rap in the community. The king of these formulations is Pat Gordzelik’s Polish Rojo family of propellants. I originally shied away from making reds, as I believed PR/SPR to be “wimpy” propellants that made a weak red flame, and that real men used Strontium Nitrate to make red motors. But Strontium Nitrate has its problems — it’s highly hygroscopic and needs to be dried and screened before use, and the grains must be kept sealed tightly before flight. I have a few old Kosdon East “Red Rhino” motors that are nitrate based, and though they give a BRILLIANT red flame and a delightful low-thrust, long-burn profile, they are immensely difficult to light due to their age and the amount of moisture collected by the hydrophilic Nitrate groups.

So, I decided to try out Polish Rojo:

Nice flame, Pat! (Photo by SoCal Mad Matt, click for larger version)

Further details on the motor after the jump: This was a 54/1400 load in the venerable Arcas (flight #15, I believe) with something between Polish Rojo and Super Polish Rojo propellant. From my understanding, the only difference between the two is the size of the Magnesium used in the fuel; the Mag in this motor was -800 mesh stuff from Pat, though it was slightly clumpy, so I’m not actually sure what to call it. The motor used 3/4″ cores (since I didn’t have a 5/8″ drill bit with me at the launch to core the motor), so it was probably a very full J motor rather than the usual baby K we get from this case. But still, way cool flight.

Moral of the story: Carbonate reds are reds too!

3 comments on “Carbonate Reds”

  1. Johnnie Paul (Reply)

    Nice flame! I purchased 5 pounds of Strontium Carb right after I saw the Discovery rocket special where Pat flew a 6″ Polish Rojo in a minimum dia rocket…

    I also just tested my first Wimpy Red, in a 38mm 8-grain config. Flame was great, but I truly needed to glue in the bottom grains.

    Johnnie

  2. Thanks for stopping by, Johnnie. Do you dry out the Strontium Nitrate before you add it to your Wimpy Red? I’m taking an informal poll :)

  3. Nice Red David! Years ago I purchased some Strontium Carb from one of the pottery outlets. I made some 2 grain 38mm test motors and got more of a orange/red color. Gave up on it at that point. Where did you get your carbs?

    Geoff

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